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	<title>Comments on: Your Dream Pool . . . That You Can&#8217;t Even Use</title>
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		<title>by: nerd</title>
		<link>http://poolnerd.com/2006/12/03/dream-pool-that-you-cant-even-use/#comment-10</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 00:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Bill
Thanks for the kind words.

I can't say for sure what's going on without seeing it, but it sounds like your sister in law's pool may have a low cement to sand ratio in the gunite. If the gunite crew fudged on the cement to save some money (not that uncommon), you'd notice more sand in the mix. That may be what's causing the brown shade. Also can be that the gunite wasn't mixed enough (i.e., more sand in some areas, more cement in others). Can be other causes, too, so I don't want to jump the gun here.

Gunite should be batched at about 3.75 to 4 bags per ton of sand (or, if crew measures by yard, figure about 6.5 to 7 bags). You can check number of bags and tonnage of sand delivered to get a quick check to see if the gunite guys are staying honest. Lots of other little details, too.

The best way to test the gunite is to core drill it and take the sample in for a crush test. That tells you the pressure at which the gunite fails. Usually engineers specify about 2000 psi, sometimes more, but it should say on the engineering plan. If the core tests come up OK then it doesn't matter what the color is. A simple test, though, is to just whack the gunite with the point of a pick. Hard. If if it bounces back and does nothing but make a pretty small divot and maybe hurt your hands, that's a positive sign; if you take a hunk out of the gunite, well, it may be time to think about a core test.

And, about the weather: cold or heat don't really affect the placement of gunite. I've gunited pools when it's been over 110 degrees, and when it's been in the mid-20's.

If your sister in law is concerned about it, she should talk to her pool contractor. If that doesn't satisfy her, she can go the core test route. If either of you want to email me with further question, please do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill<br />
Thanks for the kind words.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say for sure what&#8217;s going on without seeing it, but it sounds like your sister in law&#8217;s pool may have a low cement to sand ratio in the gunite. If the gunite crew fudged on the cement to save some money (not that uncommon), you&#8217;d notice more sand in the mix. That may be what&#8217;s causing the brown shade. Also can be that the gunite wasn&#8217;t mixed enough (i.e., more sand in some areas, more cement in others). Can be other causes, too, so I don&#8217;t want to jump the gun here.</p>
<p>Gunite should be batched at about 3.75 to 4 bags per ton of sand (or, if crew measures by yard, figure about 6.5 to 7 bags). You can check number of bags and tonnage of sand delivered to get a quick check to see if the gunite guys are staying honest. Lots of other little details, too.</p>
<p>The best way to test the gunite is to core drill it and take the sample in for a crush test. That tells you the pressure at which the gunite fails. Usually engineers specify about 2000 psi, sometimes more, but it should say on the engineering plan. If the core tests come up OK then it doesn&#8217;t matter what the color is. A simple test, though, is to just whack the gunite with the point of a pick. Hard. If if it bounces back and does nothing but make a pretty small divot and maybe hurt your hands, that&#8217;s a positive sign; if you take a hunk out of the gunite, well, it may be time to think about a core test.</p>
<p>And, about the weather: cold or heat don&#8217;t really affect the placement of gunite. I&#8217;ve gunited pools when it&#8217;s been over 110 degrees, and when it&#8217;s been in the mid-20&#8217;s.</p>
<p>If your sister in law is concerned about it, she should talk to her pool contractor. If that doesn&#8217;t satisfy her, she can go the core test route. If either of you want to email me with further question, please do so.
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		<title>by: bill reedley</title>
		<link>http://poolnerd.com/2006/12/03/dream-pool-that-you-cant-even-use/#comment-9</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I had a question about gunite. Our pool was finished last July and now my sister-in-law is getting pool built. Their gunite seems kind of tan color, or at least more tan than I remember our gunite being. Mainly gray but with a definite tan kind of color to it.

So what's that mean? Due to weather when the gunite was done (ours in summer, theirs inwinter)? Is it bad to do gunite when it is cold?

By thw way, I like your blog and appreciate the time you've obviously put in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a question about gunite. Our pool was finished last July and now my sister-in-law is getting pool built. Their gunite seems kind of tan color, or at least more tan than I remember our gunite being. Mainly gray but with a definite tan kind of color to it.</p>
<p>So what&#8217;s that mean? Due to weather when the gunite was done (ours in summer, theirs inwinter)? Is it bad to do gunite when it is cold?</p>
<p>By thw way, I like your blog and appreciate the time you&#8217;ve obviously put in it.
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		<title>by: Pool Owner</title>
		<link>http://poolnerd.com/2006/12/03/dream-pool-that-you-cant-even-use/#comment-7</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Poolnerd, this is a good discussion about a topic that is rarely discussed on swimming pool bulletin boards.  You did a nice job of putting some obscure items into laymen terms (e.g., bond beam to cup lip comparison).  I agree with you that it is never worth saving money or skimping on the structure since the consequences can be very expensive.  I’m from the old school when it comes to structural …”when in doubt – make it stout.”  I have included a link to your blog from my blog (Pool Forum at http://poolforum.blogspot.com), which you may find informative too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poolnerd, this is a good discussion about a topic that is rarely discussed on swimming pool bulletin boards.  You did a nice job of putting some obscure items into laymen terms (e.g., bond beam to cup lip comparison).  I agree with you that it is never worth saving money or skimping on the structure since the consequences can be very expensive.  I’m from the old school when it comes to structural …”when in doubt – make it stout.”  I have included a link to your blog from my blog (Pool Forum at <a href="http://poolforum.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://poolforum.blogspot.com</a>), which you may find informative too.
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