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		<title>by: nerd</title>
		<link>http://poolnerd.com/2006/11/24/big-pipes/#comment-34</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>How many pumps are we talking about?

Sounds like one one pump for the water features (spillways). A 2 h.p. full-rated pump (same thing as a 2.5 h.p. up-rated pump) with 3" suction and return would be more than good enough for that application. A sheer descent type waterfall usually requires a minimum flow of 10 gpm per foot, so you'd need at least 60 gpm. Heck, even a 1 h.p. medium-head pump, like a Whisperflo, can put out like 90 gpm at that kind of distance and pipe size; a high head pump, incidentally, may be more appropriate for this use. And don't use a bigger pump than is required, since the electricity cost is so much more.

Now, for your spa jets ... Are we talking one pump for filtration, heating and jets? If so, and if you're using 3" suction and return, six jets (the type known as "number 7" jets, the most common type) should be OK at that distance, assuming there's not a lot of 90-degree fittings and such. As a rough guess, if you use a low-loss backwash valve and keep the fittings at a minimum, your head loss ought to be on the order of 65 ft.

And, yes, there are ways to figure out what the head loss will be. There are charts available that show friction loss through various pipe types, and for fittings. Manufacturers have loss charts for most major components, if you can get them. It gets a little complicated, but it ain't rocket science. Perhaps the easiest thing to do is get the figures from a similar existing installation: put a vacuum gauge in the front pump drain plug, and a pressure gauge in the rear one. Multiply the vacuum reading by 1.13 and the pressure reading by 2.31, then add them together. This is the total head loss for the system.

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<p>Sounds like one one pump for the water features (spillways). A 2 h.p. full-rated pump (same thing as a 2.5 h.p. up-rated pump) with 3&#8243; suction and return would be more than good enough for that application. A sheer descent type waterfall usually requires a minimum flow of 10 gpm per foot, so you&#8217;d need at least 60 gpm. Heck, even a 1 h.p. medium-head pump, like a Whisperflo, can put out like 90 gpm at that kind of distance and pipe size; a high head pump, incidentally, may be more appropriate for this use. And don&#8217;t use a bigger pump than is required, since the electricity cost is so much more.</p>
<p>Now, for your spa jets &#8230; Are we talking one pump for filtration, heating and jets? If so, and if you&#8217;re using 3&#8243; suction and return, six jets (the type known as &#8220;number 7&#8243; jets, the most common type) should be OK at that distance, assuming there&#8217;s not a lot of 90-degree fittings and such. As a rough guess, if you use a low-loss backwash valve and keep the fittings at a minimum, your head loss ought to be on the order of 65 ft.</p>
<p>And, yes, there are ways to figure out what the head loss will be. There are charts available that show friction loss through various pipe types, and for fittings. Manufacturers have loss charts for most major components, if you can get them. It gets a little complicated, but it ain&#8217;t rocket science. Perhaps the easiest thing to do is get the figures from a similar existing installation: put a vacuum gauge in the front pump drain plug, and a pressure gauge in the rear one. Multiply the vacuum reading by 1.13 and the pressure reading by 2.31, then add them together. This is the total head loss for the system.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.
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		<title>by: Richie</title>
		<link>http://poolnerd.com/2006/11/24/big-pipes/#comment-31</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 16:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I am in the process of installing a pool spa in my backyard. Due to the lay out of the yard the pool equipment will be 110 feet to the center of the spa. I plan on having 6 jets (7 foot diameter)and was curious  as to what size pipe to run?  3"?   I was wondering if there was a way to calculate the feet of head resistance for that distance.  What size pool pump should I choose to run the spa 2.5 hp or 3 hp?  I also have 3 24" spillways that are located 100 feet from the pumps. Would a 2.5 hp pump with 3" pipe be adequate for all 3? Thanks for your help. Richie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in the process of installing a pool spa in my backyard. Due to the lay out of the yard the pool equipment will be 110 feet to the center of the spa. I plan on having 6 jets (7 foot diameter)and was curious  as to what size pipe to run?  3&#8243;?   I was wondering if there was a way to calculate the feet of head resistance for that distance.  What size pool pump should I choose to run the spa 2.5 hp or 3 hp?  I also have 3 24&#8243; spillways that are located 100 feet from the pumps. Would a 2.5 hp pump with 3&#8243; pipe be adequate for all 3? Thanks for your help. Richie
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		<title>by: nerd</title>
		<link>http://poolnerd.com/2006/11/24/big-pipes/#comment-6</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Larry
The standard for residential pools (Amer National Stds Instit/ NSPI--5) is:
     for tread width: 10-in. minimum, no maximum
     for riser height: no minimum, 12-in. maximum
  Note that this is a construction standard, not part of the Bldg Codes (in other words, a suggested practice, not a requirement). However, it would be foolish for a pool contractor to ignore these standards.
  Hope this helps.
  ----the pool nerd----</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry<br />
The standard for residential pools (Amer National Stds Instit/ NSPI&#8211;5) is:<br />
     for tread width: 10-in. minimum, no maximum<br />
     for riser height: no minimum, 12-in. maximum<br />
  Note that this is a construction standard, not part of the Bldg Codes (in other words, a suggested practice, not a requirement). However, it would be foolish for a pool contractor to ignore these standards.<br />
  Hope this helps.<br />
  &#8212;-the pool nerd&#8212;-
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		<title>by: larry asien</title>
		<link>http://poolnerd.com/2006/11/24/big-pipes/#comment-5</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 05:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>is there a min and max hieght/width on steps into a residencal pool ?</description>
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